I just heard on a podcast the insinuation that we’re all sinners. I can’t stand this since as Christians we have been identified with the righteousness of Christ rather than the wretchedness of sin. The image below displays a timeline of sorts. It illustrates the fact that we’ve got an eternal new nature as believers in Christ, but also an adamic nature something that the non-Christian has. This is why Paul recommends in Romans 6:11 that we reckon our old self to be dead. We are identified with Christ and not with anything else that could be pointed to as who we are. In Christ we are not sinners.
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We are not sinners, we are more than conquerors.
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I understand what you are saying. However, we ARE all sinners. Romans 3:23 says “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” We sin every day. That is what makes God’s grace so amazing. He loves us even though we sin. Being a Christian does not mean you aren’t a sinner, it means that you are accepting God’d forgiveness through his son Jesus Christ. Romans 5:8shows this, saying that “God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” If we were no longer sinners, then why does his death matter?
You have to look at the tense of the words, for all have sinned means everyone has committed a sin but it doesn’t mean we all will continue to sin. God will love us no matter what we do but he also calls is to repentance we need to abandon our sinful ways and look to christ as our role model. Saying that he died for us while we were sinners does also imply that we are/should no longer be sinners.
Tony, are you still a sinner [one who habitually and can only sin]? Does God see you as a sinner or hidden within Christ as Colossians 3:3 says? Your verses point to past tense passages. Believers are not sinners because their new nature was resurrected with Christ and they died to the Law that would make them habitual and only sinners.
Of course we have all heard that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, which is taken from Romans 3:23, and most people use that to make other people feel that they have no hope at all with God. If you would read Romans 3:21-26 in context, you will find that what God is talking about is a righteous standing before Him in Christ, not us being filthy sinners. I have heard it said that we are nothing but sinners “saved by grace”, but I refuse to say that about myself. I was a sinner ( and believe me, I knew how to do it well) but now that I have accepted Jesus into my heart, I am right now by God considered the righteousness of God in Christ, and that goes for anyone who accepts Jesus. For example, if someone were in a pool or an ocean swimming and they started drowning, then someone jumps in and saves that person from drowning, you wouldn’t look at the person that was rescued from the water and say he or she was still drowning. Why? Because they are no longer in the water and they have been pulled to safety. Likewise, the same is true for all of us. We were all drowning in our own selfishness, our own sins, our own messed up ways, but Jesus came to pull us all out of that and no longer are we all sinners that are “saved by grace”, but we in Christ are now righteous, or placed in right standing with God because of Jesus and we are not sinners saved by grace. Now, let me say that we are saved by grace, which in it’s simplest definition could be defined as God’s willingness to get involved in your life. So when I say that we are saved by grace, I am saying that we are saved because of God’s willingness to get involved in helping us when we did not know how to help ourselves and didn’t realize we needed help, but we are not sinners anymore once we accept the free gift that God through Jesus offers us.
The righteous standing, or righteousness, means that we can stand in the presence of an Almighty God without a sense of guilt or shame for our sins. 2 Corinthians 5:21 says that Jesus Christ bore our sins, He took every sin that we ever could commit upon Himself and in exchange He gave us His righteousness, so we who have accepted Jesus as our Savior now are righteous in God’s eyes, not because of anything we have or ever could do, but because of what Jesus did and as we accept the gift of grace and salvation through Jesus, we also receive this free gift of a right standing before God. And since it has already been freely given to us, all we have to do is receive it, to take hold of it as it was in our possession and we do not have to try to do a lot of good things to make ourselves seem “right” before God. We don’t have to work to be right with God and no one has to do any “goody goody” thing to be right with God because all that we had to do to get right with God, Jesus did for us, for God took the sinless Christ and poured into him our sins. Then, in exchange, he poured God’s goodness into us. Now, after having this knowledge, I want you to understand that you can still do good things, but not to do them to gain or earn God’s love or acceptance, but rather you can do good works because of God’s love and acceptance for you and you can do good works out of love and gratitude to Him for what He has done for you.
This is in response to Tony and Romans 3:23. One thing we, as believers, must always do when reading the scriptures is know: Who is speaking, Who is being spoken to, and the dispensation in which it is being spoken. So many single out one verse and hold on to that as gospel. Read the entire chapter and it will become more clear.
We are all sinners. We are all born sinners. This is the price we pay for adam and eve disobaying god in the graden of eden. Because of that we didnt obey god and we were cast into the kingdom of darkness ( satans kingdom) We are all decendents from adam and eve. We are to burn forever in the lake of fire unless we accept jesus christ as gods only son and our savior. I’m guessing pretty much the lake of fire is earth, and by being mortal we are ( burning ).
I know myself I was born a sinner it took me 22 years ( I’m 22 years to really understand how to deal with sin). And im still working on it. All you have to do is obey god and you will not be a sinner. There are two kinds of people on this earth. Those who obey god and those who do not obey god. Those who obey god accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Remember if you do not accept jesus christ as your savior you are directly disobeying god. Just like cain did when god told him to kill a animal and sacrifice it. His brother did this but cain disobeyed god and brought him vegitables and fruit. While on paper vegitables and fruit look better then a dead animal to sacrifice to god, thats not what god said. This was how god forgave our sins before Jesus Christ. We sacrificed animals because only blood could pay for our sins. But then god brought Jesus Christ to die for all our sins, our sins where so great that the son of god had to be killed to pay for all our sins! So only blood can be paid for sins, so the price of sin is death. But to get out of Satins Kingdom ( pretty much earth) You must believe in Jesus Christ as your savior. If you do not believe in Jesus Christ as your savior to take you to heaven you burn in the lake of fire forever, because like cain you diobeyed god, also just like Adam originally disobeyed god and that is why we are here today. Life is literally a test. If you want to make a good grade on judgement day in gods eyes you need to listen to god. Also the devil ( satan, the serpeant) always contradicts god. For everything God says, the devil always has an opposite to say. So now in history, schools are teaching evolution and questioning the bible.. there are many false religions. These are all false religions and false flags. I mean just look at DNA its in the shape of a serpeant! Its obvious that if you believe in science you will burn in the lake of fire forever. I’m not saying science isnt real or true, because if you think about it its got some truth to it. But man creates science from what man can see. Thats man worshiping himself =666 the number of the beast. Hope this helps you realize some stuff that i’ve pretty much come to realization.
Hang on. We’re not descendents of Adam and Eve as everyone drowned in the flood except for Noah and his family. This means we are descendents of Noah, not Adam and Eve. We aren’t implicated in original sin at all.
Yes?
Noah was a descendant of Adam and Eve
Why did you remove my post?
i thought I made a reasonable point.
Peter, I did not delete your comment, it was in moderation as all first time commenters are in moderation.
As for being descendants of Adam & Noah we are descendants of both genetically up until the point where a fallen individual becomes a saint (a believer), in which case we’re identified with Christ and are part of the new creation in Christ, who was the first born from the dead. You make the statement that we’re descendants of Noah only… but if Noah was a descendant of Adam, then anyone who is a descendant of Noah is, by logic, also a descendant of Adam [this is a syllogism].
Good discussions to all! The thing I think most people don’t realize is that there is a difference between sinning and being a sinner. A sinner sins as a lifestyle. Now that my life is in Christ I don’t wake up thinking how I can get into sin today. I’m not a sinner. However, I do miss the mark and because it wasn’t my willing intention to commit the act of sin and I’m now in the righteousness of God. I just have to ask God to forgive me and He is faithful and just to forgive me of my sins and He justifies me. Making my slate clean and perfect through His eyes. If I mess up again it wasn’t my intention because now that I’m a Christian I don’t purposely go around sinning any more. I ask God to forgive me and He puts it under the blood. God knows are heart and if we’re living after Him and not being the sinner we WERE before we got saved, when we mess up and sin God will take that sin and throw as far as the east is from the west. That’s the power of God’s grace!
I would be interested in how you interpret the verses in which paul calls himself the greatest of sinners. He uses the present tense. I for one would say he is both exaggerating for effect, and that when he uses the word sinner, he is in fact defining a sinner as someone who has sinned at some point. Paul did in fact commit a few heinous crimes at points in his life, and I think that he is deprecating himself and implying that a sinner is someone who has sinned.
Anyways, this feels a lot like pointless semantics
We are humans, we are imperfect because of the fall from grace at the Garden of Eden. Because of what Adam did we are all sinners. Remember GOD created man in his own image. Adam and Eve were a perfect creation, but unlike the angels we were given free will. And Adam exercised that free will and disobeyed GOD. We were made imperfect by the introduction of sin. From that moment on every human that has exsisted is contaminated with sin. By accepting Christ he washes away our sin so we appear white as snow before GOD. However being a Christian does not make us righteous. We still sin. Christians are still human, we still lie, cheat, steel, divorce and kill. If you tell a little white lie, you are a lier. If you take an extra newspaper from the paper box you are a thief, if you look at a woman and have the slightest desire, then you are an adulterer. We are still all sinners folks. Accepting Christ does not magically make us perfect in this world. It only makes us perfect before the eyes of GOD.
Christians that consider themselves righteous tend to consider all others as not righteous and some how beneath them. This leads to hypocrisy.
since christ came in this earth to make us free from the sin and he died for us….but still if u say we r sinner then what is the use of christ diying for us….so my thinking is we r no more sinner.m his son and my father paid my debt through his precious blood ,so iam no more sinner.
OMG im 16 an i get it. its so simple. you sinned your a sinner. just like you killed your a killer. he died for our sins so we would not go to hell! all are sin was put on him. but we still sin every day on and on we will not stop. just think of it as this we are all consumed so we are all consumers. we were made like god, but it says we fall sort of the glory of god. SO THERE FOR WE ARE NOT LIKE GOD. It just like when people started to clone things. a dog could be cloned, The dog would the same as the first dog. but it won’t have the same feeling or personality as the first dog.
Michael, I don’t think you understand what I wrote. Sinners are identified with Adam and his federal headship. As believers we’re identified with Christ’s federal headship and therefore are no longer carrying the label of ‘sinner’.
I addressed this issue this weekand at my local church and i saw people disagreeing with me. It always suprises me why christians clamour to be called sinners no wonder why the spirit of GOD is not in many of us. We have layers and layers of bible interprattions yet the bible is mearnt to be understood in its simplest form. I beleive one of the reason people argue that they are sineers is that there is no relationship with GOD. If you have GOD its not a question whether you are a christian or not.
To tell you the truth our flesh always wants to sin but our spirit always wants to worship God. It is a battle as to who wins out. Does your flesh or does your spirit man win. Since you are in charge of your own body then you have to decide who do you want to win.
Just like the apostle Paul struggled with his flesh and with his spirit man, we also struggle as Christians to do the right thing. The right thing is to listen to the voice of God as He talks through your spirit man.
So that makes our spirit man is the righteousness of Christ and our fleshly man sinful.
To what end does it serve to call ourselves sinners? Who do we think sinners serve? Why do we feel the need to identify with the devil, as his offspring (sinners), or Adam’s offspring when God clearly says we are of the Spirit?2 Cor 5:16-21; Romans 8:1-2, 9-10, 17;
Great conversation, this is a question I pondered myself for a while so that’s why I ended up on this site. It says in scriptures that before we where saved we were all sinners under the old law/covenant, because when the law was created it was then when we could recognized sin as being sin because God, gave us direction of how we should conduct ourselves as His Holy people. Before that we could sin and God, did not necessarily hold us accountable as per the law because there was no law. He just told Adam and Eve, to not eat of the tree of knowledge but everything else they had dominion over. Case and point when Cain, killed Able, God, did not kill him but He banished him and Cain did not have to make a sacrifice to God, for his sinful act. It’s not that sin was not around, God, just did not hold us as accountable as He did when He created the old law. Now it says throughout the scriptures that salvation was coming to all God’s, people Jews and Gentiles, and they would become as one, which is in the spirit not the flesh….why is that? because of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior….Now comes the tricky part but yet not so tricky if you are reading this in the spirit and not the flesh. Jesus, came to reconcile our relationship with God, because the old law was not complete, case and point why would God, and the prophets say that there is one coming that would bring salvation to the world? I would summit that is was because the old law was not complete and that God, knew this when He created the law in the first place to help prepare us for the new covenant. And when Jesus, came into the world He was made flesh and spirit. For our sakes and He was born to show us how to walk in God, the Father’s ways so that we could be set free from sin in the old law through Christ. If you look at the life of Jesus, He went through everything we went through back then and still are going through today. But in Jesus’ walk He did it without sin, AND because He was born in the flesh He was also subject to sin yet he did not, and everything He did He did it in His Father’s name and He asked the Father before He did it anything. He even told His disciples that nothing He did was of Himself but came from the Father. This is how He could bare our sins because He truly lived and walk this earth righteously and without sin. He is truly our salvation only if we believe in Him as our Savior, and we have to walk in His ways! The question about are we sinners or not after we accept Christ, is that when we say that we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and personal savior we must also understand that we must try earnestly to walk in His ways…. all who say they accepts Christ, will not be called because Jesus states this Himself. When Jesus, fulfilled the law by living in the flesh without sin we could surmise that we are still accountable to the law we just don’t live under the same conditions that the old law conditioned which was death. We are under the new covenant through Jesus Christ as our savior to have life now and also eternal life. We are still flesh and there for we still sin…does that make us sinners? Well do you sin? Be careful not to point your finger at someone else and say they are a sinner and you still sin. God, is the one who judges all and if we concentrate on being righteous in His sight and love Him with all our heart and soul and look to Him for all of our needs and desires we will walk in righteousness and live Holy unto Him. He knows that this is a process for us because we are still flesh that’s why Jesus came. He was trying to teach us how to live in the Spirit and separate our selves from the flesh so we could then have a better understanding of our Father who created us, to be obedient to Him only. Through Jesus Christ, when we do sin, we can ask for forgiveness because we accepted Him as our Savior, remembering always because of our fleshly nature we will always fall short of God’s glory and we no longer have to make sacrifices through the slaughtering of animals but to ask forgiveness through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died for us so that we could live.
Amen Janiece! You nailed it!
Thanks for posting on this topic, Randy. It is such a prevalent problem, even common in otherwise sound denominations. My own pastor calls us (with love) sinners. I have written him on the subject, and pray that he will describe us Biblically, since, “as a man thinks, so is he.” God bless!
The bible is Gods word. Every word came out of Gods mouth. If He says your a sinner, then you are. We all are sinners, even after we are saved, cause the bible says that their is only one that is perfect. As christians we sin every day. If you dont believe that then you call God a lier.
Gary,
God calls us new creatures not bound by the sin nature. I’m not calling Him a liar.
A Different Perspective
Would you say that God made everything and everyone in heaven and on earth? Yes or No
Would you say that God has a purpose? Yes or No
Would you say that God has the capability of knowing the outcome of a situation or that he knows what the future holds? Yes or No
Most people would say YES to ALL THREE of the above questions.
Therefore, if you believe these things are true than consider the following:
God made man in his image and for his pleasure. However, God did not want to make man as a robot (only knowing good), for what pleasure can God receive from mere robots? A robot (only knowing good) wouldn’t appreciate God for what he stands for. Rather an (only knowing good) person would just know good and would have know feelings attached to the matter.
Therefore God made man free to choose right and wrong. Free to make his or her own decisions. In fact, God made Adam and Eve with freedom of choice. Sure, God told Adam and Eve WHAT NOT TO DO….to not eat the forbidden fruit….the fruit of knowledge. But God knew that they would partake and he knew that it was necessary for them to partake in order for them to have a closer relationship with him.
If you don’t know evil then how can you APPRECIATE the good? You couldn’t! If you only knew good then you’d be nothing more than a robot only knowing good. If you only knew evil than you’d be nothing more than a robot only knowing evil. But if you have the knowledge of good and evil (which is Gods purpose for us) then you can experience good and evil and decide for yourself which side you want to be on.
That’s what God wants. He wants his children to know him and understand him (to understand his moral character). To understand the consequences of sin and evil and to understand the outcome of righteousness. And the only way we can understand God and what he stands for is to have real life experiences of good and evil. It’s these real life experiences that allow us to MAKE A CHOICE. It’s these real life experiences that allow us to appreciate God’s moral character. These experiences allow you to MAKE A CHOICE, TAKE A SIDE and STAND FOR SOMETHING.
Ultimately, God wants you to know him, to understand him, and to believe in his moral character. And God knew that this would NOT be possible without Man Knowing Good and Evil.
Therefore, and I know people will disagree, but God created man knowing that man would sin, and knowing that sin and the natural consequences thereof is what would bring man back to him, with a better understanding and a smiling appreciation for what God stands for.
Therefore, sin or Satan is nothing more than a tool in God’s hand. A tool for a purpose. A tool to bring us to an appreciative understanding of his moral character. You see, that’s what God wants from his children…..Not a Robot (only knowing good), but rather an intimate relationship with children that respect and love him for who he is.
GOD IS IN CONTROL!
We’re just here on Earth to learn
This is what the word of God says about who you are in Christ …Jesus in you…”sinner” is not found! this is your IDENTITY if you’re saved/born-again. In Him..
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I am God’s child for I am born again of the incorruptible seed of the Word of God which lives and abides forever……………….. 1 Peter 1:23
I am forgiven all my sins and washed in the blood.. ………………Eph 1:7
I am a new creature.. …….2 Cor 5:17
I am the temple of the Holy Spirit……………………1 Cor 6:19
I am delivered from the power of darkness and transformed into God’s Kingdom…………………..Col 1:13
I am redeemed from the course of the law………………Gal 3:13
I am strong in the Lord…….Eph 6:10
I am holy and without blame before Him……………………….Eph 1:4
I am accepted in Christ………Eph 1:6
I am blessed……………Deut 28:1-14
I am a saint………………..Rom 1:7
I am qualified to share in His inheritance…………Col 1:12
I am the head and not the tail….I am above only and not beneath…………………Duet 28:13
I am victorious……………Rev 21:7
I am dead to sin…………Rom 6:2,11
I am elect……………………Col 3:12
I am loved with an everlasting love………………………Jer 31:3
I am established to the end…1 Cor 1:8
I am set free……………John 8:31-38
I am circumcised with the circumcision made without hands………………………Col 2:11
I am crucified with Christ……Gal 2:20
I am alive with Christ………Eph 2:5
I am raised up with Christ and seated in heavenly places…………..Eph 2:6
I am His faithful follower….Eph 5:1
I am the light of the world…Matt 5:14
I am the salt of the earth….Matt 5:13
I am called of God………2 Tim 1:9
I am brought near by the blood of Christ……………Eph 2:13
I am more than a conqueror………………….Rom 8:37
I am in Christ Jesus by His doing……………………..1 Cor 1:30
I am an ambassador for Christ………………..……2 Cor 5:20
I am beloved of God………1 Thess1:4
I am the first fruits among His creation…………James 1:18
I am born of God and the evil one does not touch me……… 1 John 5:18
I am a king and a priest unto God…………………………Rev 1:6
I am a joint heir with Christ…………………..Romans 8:17
I am reconciled to God……2 Cor 5:18
I am overtaken with blessings……………………Deut 28:2
I am healed by the wounds of Jesus…………………1 Pet 2:24
I am in the world as He is in heaven……………1 John 4:17
I am a fellow citizen with the saints of the household of God.. ……Eph 2:19
I am sealed with the promise of the Holy Spirit…………………Eph 1:13
I am complete in Christ……..Col 2:10
I am the apple of my Father’s eye……………………Psalm 17:18
I am free from condemnation……………Romans 8:1
I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ………1 Cor 5:21
I am chosen………………1 Thess 1:4
I am firmly rooted, built up, strengthened in the faith & overflowing with thankfulness..Colossians 2:7
I am a disciple of Christ because I have love for others….John 13:34-35
I am built on the foundations of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the chief cornerstone……………….Eph 2:20
But he who is joined to the Lord is One Spirit with Him……..1 Cor 6:17
I am a partaker of His divine nature…………………2 Pet 1:4
I am God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works…………..………..Eph 2: 10
I am being changed into His image……………………….Phil 1:6
I am one in Christ! Hallelujah!……………..John 17:21-23 I have the mind of Christ..1 Cor 2:16
I have all my needs met by God according to His glorious riches in Christ Jesus………………..Phil 4:19
I have everlasting life…….John 6:47
I have a guaranteed inheritance………………….Eph 1:14
I have abundant life………John 10:10
I have overcome the world……………………..1 John 5:4
I have the peace of God which passes understanding…..…………..Phil 4:7
I have access to the Father by one Spirit…………Eph 2:18
I have received the power of the Holy Spirit: power to lay hands on the sick and see them recover; power to cast out demons; power over all the power of the enemy…………..Mark 16:17
I can do all things through Jesus Christ………………………Phil 4:13
I shall do even greater works than Christ Jesus………………John 14:12
I walk in Christ Jesus………..Col 2:6
I possess the Greater One in me because greater is He in me than he who is the world…………..1 John 4:4
I press toward the goal for the prize of the high calling of God…..Phil 3:14
I live by the law of the Holy Spirit…………………Rom 8:2
I know God’s voice……….John 10:14
I show forth His praise………1 Pet 2:9
I always triumph in Christ…1 Cor 2:14
CHRIST IS IN ME THE HOPE OF GLORY ! ……Col 1:27
selah…
there’s not ONE SCRIPTURE in context, or in the correct grammatical tense, that shows, implies or says that a person that believes/receives/abides in Jesus Christ (saved “by grace through faith”) IS a SINNER.
Jesus calls us brothers, friends & Sons of God.
Paul even writes “…you ONCE were” & we’re dead to sin. John’s epistle refers to a lifetyle/habit of sin.
1 Peter 5:8: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour”.
The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions.” Galatians 5:17 (New Living Translation)
Just a reminder of these two scriptures beacause we are aways fighting our flesh. This is the same yesterday, today and forever. Jesus used these messages to us then and he doesnt lie. This is why we renew our self with christ everyday.
For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish. But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. (Rom 7:14-20,
I’ve enjoyed reading everyones comments. To recap a few: We are all sinners and yes we still sin even as Christians. Yep, we have a new identity in Christ with tremendous blessings. Also, what we say about who we are will affect how we live.
My thoughts.
Therefore a believer should dwell on who they are in Christ and meditate on that. (Ephesians the whole book) However, at the same time the longer we are a Christian we should sin less frequently (as we repent and confess known sin), while at the same time becoming more aware of sin in our lives. The longer someone walks with God the more aware they are of sin in their life so there is also a place for greater introspection as we learn more about God and ourselves. Paul says in 1 Timothy 1:15 “The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.”
I have often wondered why Paul didn’t say, “of whom I was the foremost.” He speaks in the present tense, not the past. Because he has a greater awareness of his sin when writing to Timothy as a church leader then he did when he was persecuting the church. His perspective changed with his behavior.
So I have no problem with hearing someone call Christians sinners. I am more irritated that we have given men titles like “Reverend” when it should be reserved for God, but thats another issue. Thanks for posting and reading.
And this is why there are so many division in the church lol
At the end of the day, what matters is that We have accepted Jesus into our life and living in the process of Sanctification with His Grace everyday.
Do we Sin? Yes,
Has God forgiven our Sin? Yes,
Are we living towards eternity with Jesus? Yes.
Has our sins been forgiven? Yes.
So Let’s make do with what we have and not have theological debate =)
LOL that’s so true… All this division in the church is too much… Jesus last prayers to God before he was about to be crucified (and u can be sure he was asking God for what he really wanted from the bottom of his heart and his most important requests) was that all believers should be united in the faith(John 17:21) 🙂
So everyone calm down, God loves us all the same, sinners or not.. I do have the personal conviction though that all my righteousness is in Christ in God, therefore i am righteous even though i may sin from time to time.. When u start trying to be self-righteous by not being submissive to God’s power to make u Holy but trying in your own human strength to be Holy then u end up being judgemental..
Holiness is different from Righteousness.. I always have a right standing with God(Righteousness) because my righteousness is in Christ.. People that are not saved and are still under the Adamic curse from Sin are ‘Sinners’ and therefore have no right standing with God(UnRighteousness).. Holiness is something totally different from Righteousness.
This is my personal conviction from the Holy Spirit though haha so its fine if u have a different conviction.. Romans 14 talks about accomodating different views on conflicting topics sometimes..
God Bless you all
HEBREWS 7-we are not Sinners.
If we are not sinners then we do not have sin. In short, we deceive ourselves…
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” 1 John 1:8
Every minute of our lives we sin. Whether we are conscious or unconscious when doing it, small or big, intentional or unintentional, still it is SIN. The only time we can say that we are not sinners is when we are in heaven.
We are all sinners but God made us holy if we repent and accept that we are sinners and can’t save ourselves from the eternal punishment. The crux is, be humble and accept that we can do nothing without God. He is the only one who have no sin, and is not sinner. We are not God that’s why we are sinners.
jworkx – you misunderstand what I’m saying. You are conditionally still able to sin, but you are not bound to sin and it is not the only option. You don’t have to sin every minute. You can walk in the Spirit (which should be, but may not be, normal for the believer) and your position in Christ (in the heavenlies) defines who you are as a new creation.
Sure we all still sin daily, claiming you’re sinfree in christ is just a lie and thus a sin.
He died while we were yet in a fleshly sinful body. You say where’s the hope for a christian then? Ugh it’s the same hope for all, that he died for us and we don’t and actually can’t be perfect like Jesus was anyways. He died for our many failings of the wicked heart and rotten flesh. That’s true hope, cause if I had to become a Pharisee (wannabe perfect person) I’d have to shoot myself.
People don’t seem to be reading this post, but jumping to the end and commenting without thinking about what I’ve written, so I’m closing comments. I will write a follow-up post with some further clarifications.